Posted Nov 27, 2006 at 07:16AM by Mabie A. Listed in: Computer Science Tags: Matrix, galaxy
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Matrix: are we in one?Here's an existential question for you: Are we real?

Apparently, some people believe that we may not be. That we are just all part of some kind of simulation. Bah, that certainly puts Descartes' "Cogito ergo sum" (I think, therefore I am) argument to the grave. There are three points that support this simulation argument.

First, the chances that a species at our current level of development can avoid going extinct before becoming technologically mature is negligibly small. Second, almost no technologically mature civilizations are interested in running computer simulations of minds like ours. Third, you are almost certainly in a simulation.

Whoa, backtrack on that last one. Almost certainly in a simulation? Hmm... like in the Matrix? Like in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? It would appear so.

According to the argument, assuming that the third point is true, that we are indeed in a simulation, it is highly possible because for one, there is the possibility that there are indeed technologically advanced civilizations out there capable of running a simulation of life. Secondly, and more importantly, these existing civilizations are interested in running a simulation, hence the human experiment.

Anyway, there sure is a lot of room for contention as to this topic. So if you wanna dig more into this simulation argument, feel free to check it out by clicking on the Read link below.

And don't bust your brains out.


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   by Bob (Unregistered) - 2006-11-27
 » Huh?

Whether the second point is true or not, it doesn't prove anything. But it isn't true anyway, people are constantly trying to create complex lifelike AI, not just for games, for robots and stuff too. If that's not a simulation of the mind then what is?

The third point isn't even a point anyway, it's an opinion.

The first point contradicts itself because there would have to be an even more technologically advanced civilization to simulate life so there's even less chance of that happening than our current lives.

   by Charles M. Reed (Unregistered) - 2006-11-27
 » Ok, I suppose...

The argument is rife with logical fallacies, pedantic, and ultimately ineffectual because of its shortcomings. However, I'll concede that one can never really be certain of the nature of "reality" if it can likewise be conceded that the whether existence is "real" or a "simulation" has little to do with our being. Regardless of the nature of life, we live.

   by Hoonatic - 2006-11-27
 » Impossible to tell

If we are part of a simulation, then our simulated world may be nothing like the "real" world, for example physics could be completely different or may not even exist at all. That means that any theories we can come up with about why we may actually be simulations, would be based only on what we know of our simulated world. So even if we are correct, we could think we are correct for entirely the wrong reasons as we may know of nothing "real" to base those theories on.

   by laallala (Unregistered) - 2006-11-28
 » HUH

tottaly mindbogling (dumbfounded) ????????????

   by . (Unregistered) - 2006-11-28
 » .

thats sad. i cant believe weve reached the point to where we have no faith in ourselves to even think that we are real...

what does it matter anyway? so what if we are simulations? what are you gonna do about it? exactly.


   Re: eternalcold (Unregistered) - 2006-11-29
 » i very much agree

what if we are simulations? i mean ***** there is nothing we can do about it..... although i would like to find a glitch and like use telekenisis or something hahaha! wow, imagine infinate health, unlimited strength....

oh and lastly..... what would that make video games? a simulation of a simulation....? and that means emulators are a simulation of a simulation of a simulation.... GREAT SCOTT! ITS JUST CRAZY ENOUGH TO BE TRUE!

   Re: . (Unregistered) - 2006-11-30
 » .

lol ...

... www.psipog.net ... shhh, i didn't tell you that
   by RYAN4746 (Unregistered) - 2006-11-29
 » Dumb

So your saying that it is imposable to get this High tech, So we have a higher being simulating us? WTF made the people/things simulating us that are more high tech. This is all bull.

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   by demologik - 2006-11-30
 » heres the deal

god is not what the average human this a god is..

our god is actually a highly advanced civilization of humanoid like creatures that we humans tooks as god(s) in another time.. (ie; the time of jesus) there have been many timesa in the past that these beings have returned from the heavens (space) to give information to us humans..

they will reurn once more once there is peace on earth..
right now the battle for the holy lands is the beginning of a long battle that will span over many continents. we may never obtain peace.. we may fail as a species.

they are disappointed.

   by . (Unregistered) - 2006-12-07
 » christ

to everyone here who has not studied realism in a university education, please stop talking.



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