Posted Jul 24, 2007 at 10:03PM by Glen D. Listed in: Physics
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atoms - Image 1If you're the objective, logical thinking type who believes destiny is superstition and that the future is determined by today's events, you may very well be wrong. That's according to some new theories and findings by Oxford University.

According to scientists developing quantum theories, the past, present and future of the known universe is interconnected by what Einstein calls the "spooky action at a distance," where atomic-level particles interact with each other even when they're light years apart. If this is the case, then time may not be a linear progression of events at all.

If you think destiny is weird, you'll find other weirder stuff that quantum physicists believe in. For instance, most quantum physicists believe that every course of action by a body isn't limited to a choice of one ultimate option. "Parallel worlds" is a concept that postulates how all options are ultimately taken by several realities woven into one fabric which interact but never interfere with each other.

In such a scenario, only particles in the sub-atomic size range penetrate the fabric of time and space. Objects can be at different places at the same time because time, being the fourth dimension, is transgressed by these particles. The movement of these particles, according to the new study, actually allows the present to be affected by the past as well as the future in the smallest scales.

"Something that happens now is affected by something that happens in the future. It suggests that the universe has a destiny—a destiny that is out there and coming back to us from the future," says Jeff Tollaksen of George Mason University.

The proponents of the theory remain modest, pointing out that their claims are still speculative. Evidence is hard to get by at this point and the only proof currently available are minute measurements of subatomic particles interacting delicately with one another.


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   by slicer4ever (Unregistered) - 2007-07-25
 » by the shear fact of knowing

by knowing doesn't that give us the ability to change our destiny or have i misunderstood and we still have choice but your refering to a galactic destiny not an individual's destiny


   Re: zeromatrix (Unregistered) - 2007-07-25
 » ...

I think they're saying you have more than one option through a course of different realities that can take place.

   Re: catron (Unregistered) - 2007-07-25
 » destiny

It was destiny that we found destiny!!!
   by Truth (Unregistered) - 2007-07-25
 » False-I Believe

In my opinion, I believe this is false. And why? Well for the fact that if destiny was predetermined and destiny for our lives future is already set-out, then what would it matter in what choice I make now if the future will always be the same? Unless there is some sort of way that I'm tricked into believe I have a choice on how my future will be, and my choices are already made but I just think I'm making them up as I go along- - - that would then be the only way this is true. But, for what I know, I have choice in what I do, when I do it, and how I do it...I could either choose different courses of destiny and future by lets say choosing one path of wanting to become a rapper, or choosing another path of wanting to become a lawyer...but in the end-its all about my choice...and my choice well effect destiny, but it doesn't technically apply that destiny made my choice for me...because if it did, why I am I wasting my time making choices and going to school...if the same thing well always happen in the end because of predetermined destiny?


   Re: ff (Unregistered) - 2007-07-25
 » ...

for the sake of argument.... If everyone has an interconnected destiny you cant change it or make choices. For example, if you found out your path and say, when and how you are suspose to die and you make a choice and change that destiny so you dont die, but your not changing anything. You destiny never changed. Your destiny was to figure all that out and change it and not die then. In essence there is always and never a choice.

But the bottom line, this is like the question of life after death. You just wont ever know unless you go there and come back, which...atleast wont happen for several hundred years when we can travel light speed

   Re: NonPartisanCon (Unregistered) - 2007-07-25
 » Hi there

Great point. Here is an easy one since you're so clever. You can prove everybody wrong if you don't die. I mean live forever. If you can escape death then you escape the one guarantee in life.
   by . (Unregistered) - 2007-07-25
 » go read a book...

...quantum mechanics is a form of math not philosophy. So if you want to argue your points go read up on multidimensional differential equations relating to space-time.

   by Sense (Unregistered) - 2007-07-25
 » agreen with

" for the sake of argument.... If everyone has an interconnected destiny you cant change it or make choices. For example, if you found out your path and say, when and how you are suspose to die and you make a choice and change that destiny so you dont die, but your not changing anything. You destiny never changed. Your destiny was to figure all that out and change it and not die then. In essence there is always and never a choice."

you my friend speaks exactly like I have in mind. For people who cannot understand what he meant I have something simpler:
Say it's 200 years in the future now, you are 10 years old, time traveling to the future is made possible to a chosen few people then and one day you decide to travel to the future and observe how it's like so you can so called 'change ur destiny'. So you went to the future, finds out that u'll die at age of 15 due to a car accident cuz u saw it happen, and went back to the present making sure that you will not be at wherever the accident occurs 5 years later.
By doing this you think you 'changed you destiny'? think again, your destiny meant for you to travel to the future at the age of 10 and see what you saw, your destiny meant for you to die at whatever age other then 15. ur simply following destiny's path. For example, there's no way that you did not travel to the future at the age of 10 because it was in your destiny to do it.

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   by Sense (Unregistered) - 2007-07-25
 » disagree with False-I Believe

" In my opinion, I believe this is false. And why? Well for the fact that if destiny was predetermined and destiny for our lives future is already set-out, then what would it matter in what choice I make now if the future will always be the same? Unless there is some sort of way that I'm tricked into believe I have a choice on how my future will be, and my choices are already made but I just think I'm making them up as I go along- - - that would then be the only way this is true. But, for what I know, I have choice in what I do, when I do it, and how I do it...I could either choose different courses of destiny and future by lets say choosing one path of wanting to become a rapper, or choosing another path of wanting to become a lawyer...but in the end-its all about my choice...and my choice well effect destiny, but it doesn't technically apply that destiny made my choice for me...because if it did, why I am I wasting my time making choices and going to school...if the same thing well always happen in the end because of predetermined destiny?""

you were right in the part where you said "Unless there is some sort of way that I'm tricked into believe I have a choice on how my future will be, and my choices are already made but I just think I'm making them up as I go along", and since you already got the concept why did you follow up with whatever you wrote after that?

for example you made choice 1 between 2 choices, it was in your destiny to make that choice 1, and there is zero chance that you were gona make choice 2, no matter how hard the decision was to make in real life.

and as for your "why I am I wasting my time making choices and going to school...if the same thing well always happen in the end because of predetermined destiny" question, I can answer you this:
it's because you destiny was to choose to make those choices, if somehow you believed that you should stop making choices since destiny always determines everything, then it's in your destiny books for you to 'give up on making choices'. For example, today after you've read this qj article, you gave up on life since u think no matter how hard you work you destiny will still stay the same, this chapter your destiny will read something like this (at 26th july 2007 xx.xxam/pm, False-I Believe will start to doubt life and not make anymore choices because he believes in destiny)

   by Sense (Unregistered) - 2007-07-25
 » disagree with False-I Believe cont'd

your destiny was written since the beginning of time, and it already has (at 26th july 2007 xx.xxam/pm, False-I Believe will read an article and start to doubt life and not make anymore choices because he believes in destiny) in it infinite years before you were even born.

   by The chosen one (Unregistered) - 2007-07-25
 » Choice

It's not whether or not you have autonomy over the choices that you encounters that matters. What really matters is you're satisfied with the fact that you have made the concious decision to make that choice.

   by The chosen one (Unregistered) - 2007-07-25
 » Choice

It's not whether or not you have autonomy over the choices that you encounters that matters. What really matters is you're satisfied with the fact that you have made the concious decision to make that choice.

   by Stealth! - 2007-07-25
 » This article is wrong

Hate to say it, but this is just as believable as there other crap i read on here. Destiny and fate are not real, its an escape from personal choices.

Im not going to debate other people on this, you think its real fine, but i don't. You have choices in life and the only person who knows what your suppose to be doing in life is god, but he actually gives us life and allows us to make choices and become successful and be good.

This just proves my point on why i dislike this type of scientific garbage.


   Re: asmokowski (Unregistered) - 2007-07-26
 » n/a

Alright so you dont belive in destiny/fate then go on to talking about god like its as real as concrete. You sir make me lol.

   Re: Stealth! - 2007-07-26
 » asmokowski

I was raised as a catholic or Christian, but my beliefs extends farther than that religion. So yea i do believe in god, someone had to create the world and us, like i said im not going to debate anyone on this.

We have choices in life and we hold our own lives in our own hands, to a certain extent.
   by god (Unregistered) - 2007-07-25
 » This Is god

Look, you idiots guess what? You're all going to die one days

   by End (Unregistered) - 2007-07-26
 » End

It doesnt matter, the world is going to end in around 95 years anyway.

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   by Travpat (Unregistered) - 2007-07-26
 » Wow

You people can argue about anything. Your either very smart or VERY dumb.

   by OnimushaGTA - 2007-07-26
 » wow

i dont know what to believe but i hope when u die , u get to see the after life , i mean another world with all ur passed away family. well for the destiny bit , i believe we make our own

   by Kuzay (Unregistered) - 2007-07-27
 » Wait, about paralell universes,

If destiny, no matter how you live your life, IS predetermined from the begining of time, then that would mean everything will happen one and only one way... No matter what you do, meaning there can't be parallel universes of different events, as described in one theory. They can't have been created, because no matter what choice you make, it was going to happen anyways? it's not like you make a choice, and the opposite happens somewhere esle, in a new universe, which ever choice you made is destiny then?

I've always felt worried my parents are crying over my corpse somewhere, far away...

   by Ron (Unregistered) - 2007-07-27
 » A theory I once had

Alright, now there are a lot of people in the world, hell, more then half the population, that claims to have precognitions in their sleep. o.o Heel, even I had a few. Deja vu. This sort of, validates Deja Vu. I once had the idea that if past, present, and future were connected, then maybe its not that time is a constant, maybe your body is the constant and that time flows 'around' you continuously. If thats the case, then your body is just one, in past, present, and future. So, maybe while you sleep, your mind in the future, sends back a small vision of that days events, and it is then replayed as a dream...like an ESP link with yourself. o.o It would explain Deja Vu. Hey, it's a theory. DO some tests, maybe it's false, but an idea, no matter how unbelievable, is still an option.

   by to ROn (Unregistered) - 2007-08-07
 » to Ron

Ron, i completely see what you mean. I do have to agree with you. You see, this is how i see it and have learned. We as humans, live life by the minute were in. Think of our life as a wall, for that given minute, we cannot jump lets say one hour later during the day. We cannot go to work at 8.Am and jump to 5.PM whenever we want, because we are limited on Earth. But, there is one thing, which sometimes can jump time. And that is only during sleep. Once we sleep, our body is suspended from time, and we sometimes get visualisations/de javus in our sleep because somehow, our mind during that specific time is connected with past-present and future. There are people in this world who can foresee very close upcoming events, there are also some people who can see events that can happen in a very long time and it is true. There is something connected to our minds, some information and ability is fed during sleep. Even some people, can located dead bodies by remote viewing and they dont have to sleep. They just look at the picture of the person. Now you may want to ask, exactly how and possibly where do they get that info sent to their mind, do they search other dimensions and get information about the location and surroundings maybe from that dead person itself?

Very interesting, if you ask me. Psychics, have ability to read peoples futures. But its too difficult to find a real one these days. But, they very accuratly can see the future of that person, just by sitting there, even on cards, the story is layed out to them.



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